Discourse, 7 April 1844, as Reported by Times and Seasons

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hell except reveal to us; men bind us with  chains; Latin says Jachabod mean Jacob;— Hebrew says it means Jacob; Greek says Jacob;  German says Jacob. I thank God I have got  this book, and thank him more for the gift of  the Holy Ghost. I have got the oldest book  in the world, but I have got the oldest book in  my heart. I have all the four testaments, come  here ye learned men, and read if you can. I  should not have introduced this testimony  were it not to back up the word Rosh, the head,  Father of the Gods. I should not have brought  it up only to show that I am right. When we  begin to learn in this way, we begin to learn  the only true God, and what kind of a being we  have got to worship. When we know how  to come to him, begins to unfold the heav ens to us and tell us all about it. When we are  ready to come to him, he is ready to come to  us. Now I ask all the learned men who hear  me, why the learned men who are preaching  salvation say, that God created the heavens and  the earth out of nothing, and the reason is they  are unlearned; they account it blasphemy to  contradict the idea, they will call you a fool.—  I know more than all the world put together,  and the Holy Ghost within me comprehends  more than all the world, and I will associate  with it. The word create came from the word  baurau; it does not mean so; it means to organ ize; the same as a man would organize a ship.  Hence we infer that God had materials to or ganize the world out of chaos; chaotic matter,  which is element, and in which dwells all the  glory. Element had an existence from the time  he had. The pure principles of element, are  principles that can never be destroyed. They  may be organized and re-organized; but not  destroyed.
I have another subject to dwell upon and it  is impossible for me to say much, but I shall  just touch upon them; for time will not permit  me to say all; so I must come to the resurrec tion of the dead, the soul, the mind of man,  the immortal spirit. All men say God created  it in the beginning. The very idea lessens man  in my estimation; I do not believe the doctrine,  I know better. Hear it all ye ends of the world,  for God has told me so. I will make a man ap pear a fool before I get through, if you dont be lieve it. I am going to tell of things more noble —we say that God himself is a self existing  God; who told you so? it is correct enough  but how did it get into your heads? Who told  you that man did not exist in like manner upon  the same principles? (refers to the old Bible,)  how does it read in the Hebrew? It dont say  so in the Hebrew, it says God made man out of  the earth, and put into him Adam’s spirit, and  so became a living body.
The mind of man is as immortal as God him self. I know that my testimony is true, hence  when I talk to these mourners; what have they  lost, they are only separated from their bodies  for a short season; their spirits existed co- equal with God, and they now exist in a place  where they converse together, the same as we  do on the earth. Is it logic to say that a spirit  is immortal, and yet have a beginning? Be cause if a spirit have a beginning it will have  an end; good logic. I want to reason more on  the spirit of man, for I am dwelling on the  body of man, on the subject of the dead. I  take my ring from my finger and liken it unto  the mind of man, the immortal spirit, because  it has no beginning. Suppose you cut it in two;  but as the Lord lives there would be an end.—  All the fools, learned and wise men, from the  beginning of creation, who say that man had a  beginning, proves that he must have an end  and then the doctrine of annihilation would be  true. But, if I am right I might with boldness  proclaim from the house tops, that God never  did have power to create the spirit of man at  all. God himself could not create himself: in telligence exists upon a self existent principle,  it is a spirit from age to age, and there is no  creation about it. All the spirits that God  ever sent into the world are susceptible of en largement. The first principles of man are  self existent with God; that God himself finds  himself in the midst of spirits and glory, be cause he was greater, and because he saw prop er to institute laws, whereby the rest could  have a privilege to advance like himself, that  they might have one glory upon another, in  all that knowledge, power, and glory, &c., in  order to save the world of spirits. I know that  when I tell you these words of eternal life, that  are given to me, I know you taste it and I know  you believe it. You say honey is sweet and so  do I. I can also taste the spirit of eternal life;  I know it is good, and when I tell you of these  things, that were given me by inspiration of  the Holy Spirit, you are bound to receive it as  sweet, and I rejoice more and more.
I want to talk more of the relation of man to  God. I will open your eyes in relation to your  dead; all things whatsoever God of his infinite  wisdom has seen proper to reveal to us, while  we are dwelling in mortality, in regard to our  mortal bodies, are revealed to us in the abstract  and independent of affinity of this mortal tab ernacle; but are revealed to us as if we had no  bodies at all, and those revelations which wil[l]  save our dead will save our bodies; and God  reveals them to us in view of no eternal dissolu tion of the body; hence the responsibility, the [p. 615]
hell except reveal to us; men bind us with chains; Latin says Jachabod mean Jacob;—Hebrew says it means Jacob; Greek says Jacob; German says Jacob. I thank God I have got this book, and thank him more for the gift of the Holy Ghost. I have got the oldest book in the world, but I have got the oldest book in my heart. I have all the four testaments, come here ye learned men, and read if you can. I should not have introduced this testimony were it not to back up the word Rosh, the head, Father of the Gods. I should not have brought it up only to show that I am right. When we begin to learn in this way, we begin to learn the only true God, and what kind of a being we have got to worship. When we know how to come to him, begins to unfold the heavens to us and tell us all about it. When we are ready to come to him, he is ready to come to us. Now I ask all the learned men who hear me, why the learned men who are preaching salvation say, that God created the heavens and the earth out of nothing, and the reason is they are unlearned; they account it blasphemy to contradict the idea, they will call you a fool.— I know more than all the world put together, and the Holy Ghost within me comprehends more than all the world, and I will associate with it. The word create came from the word baurau; it does not mean so; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos; chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time he had. The pure principles of element, are principles that can never be destroyed. They may be organized and re-organized; but not destroyed.
I have another subject to dwell upon and it is impossible for me to say much, but I shall just touch upon them; for time will not permit me to say all; so I must come to the resurrection of the dead, the soul, the mind of man, the immortal spirit. All men say God created it in the beginning. The very idea lessens man in my estimation; I do not believe the doctrine, I know better. Hear it all ye ends of the world, for God has told me so. I will make a man appear a fool before I get through, if you dont believe it. I am going to tell of things more noble—we say that God himself is a self existing God; who told you so? it is correct enough but how did it get into your heads? Who told you that man did not exist in like manner upon the same principles? (refers to the old Bible,) how does it read in the Hebrew? It dont say so in the Hebrew, it says God made man out of the earth, and put into him Adam’s spirit, and so became a living body.
The mind of man is as immortal as God himself. I know that my testimony is true, hence when I talk to these mourners; what have they lost, they are only separated from their bodies for a short season; their spirits existed co-equal with God, and they now exist in a place where they converse together, the same as we do on the earth. Is it logic to say that a spirit is immortal, and yet have a beginning? Because if a spirit have a beginning it will have an end; good logic. I want to reason more on the spirit of man, for I am dwelling on the body of man, on the subject of the dead. I take my ring from my finger and liken it unto the mind of man, the immortal spirit, because it has no beginning. Suppose you cut it in two; but as the Lord lives there would be an end.— All the fools, learned and wise men, from the beginning of creation, who say that man had a beginning, proves that he must have an end and then the doctrine of annihilation would be true. But, if I am right I might with boldness proclaim from the house tops, that God never did have power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create himself: intelligence exists upon a self existent principle, it is a spirit from age to age, and there is no creation about it. All the spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement. The first principles of man are self existent with God; that God himself finds himself in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was greater, and because he saw proper to institute laws, whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself, that they might have one glory upon another, in all that knowledge, power, and glory, &c., in order to save the world of spirits. I know that when I tell you these words of eternal life, that are given to me, I know you taste it and I know you believe it. You say honey is sweet and so do I. I can also taste the spirit of eternal life; I know it is good, and when I tell you of these things, that were given me by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you are bound to receive it as sweet, and I rejoice more and more.
I want to talk more of the relation of man to God. I will open your eyes in relation to your dead; all things whatsoever God of his infinite wisdom has seen proper to reveal to us, while we are dwelling in mortality, in regard to our mortal bodies, are revealed to us in the abstract and independent of affinity of this mortal tabernacle; but are revealed to us as if we had no bodies at all, and those revelations which will save our dead will save our bodies; and God reveals them to us in view of no eternal dissolution of the body; hence the responsibility, the [p. 615]
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