History, 1838–1856, volume E-1 [1 July 1843–30 April 1844]

  • Source Note
  • Historical Introduction
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<​September 9​> ‘Some Elders tell us that they have taught the gathering according to the Scriptures, but it is not sufficient to teach the principle from the Scriptures alone; for if there was no other guide, the people would be left in doubt as to whether they should gather to , Africa, , or elsewhere. It is right to teach the gathering according to the Scriptures although some predictions of the prophets are obscure, but we are not left to them alone. We know, and all the Saints ought to know, that God has appointed a place and time of gathering, and has raised up a prophet to bring it about; of which we are witnesses. Our message is, that we are witnesses of the filfilment of the predictions of the prophets.
We have not to lay down a long round-about of arguments and calculations:— the specific time and place are pointed out, the stakes are driven, the foundations of the and are laid, and a people already gathered. We therefore know where to go; and to reject the Revelations of God which have pointed out these things to us, only brings condemnation. If this is not the case, then our faith is vain, and our works and hopes are vain also.
We worship a God who can inspire his servants to tell the people what to do. We have already got the opinions of men enough concerning the coming of Jesus Christ; but we need the voice of a Prophet in such a case, and we have it. I am willing to risk my all upon it; and if the Elders understand the principle of gathering and teach it correctly, the people will have the correct Spirit of the gathering.
It is time we came out, and declared boldly and definitely what God has for the people; we want more than opinions— we want your works. He has said he would send a prophet to prepare the way; and [HC 6:11] let me ask these profound Sectarians why he has not done it? If the angels found a God in heaven able to give instructions, shield them from sword and famine &c. why have we not found him? Let the teachers bear the Message they are entrusted with, and if they wish then for scripture, tell them that they were in fulfilment of prophecy; but let them have the whole message.’
Elder said he for one had taught the gathering according to the Scriptures, but he considered all modern revelations Scripture as well as those given anciently.
Elder addressed the meeting on the subject of our faith.
‘We hear the Elders represent the feeling of the brethren concerning the gathering— this is right. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is a gathering spirit; its tendency is to gather the virtuous and good, the honest and meek of the earth, and in fine the Saints of God. The time has come when the Lord is determined to fulfil his purposes. The people are apt to say that if they had lived in the days of Jesus Christ they would have received his work; but judge ye if the people are better now than then. They are not. When the full set time was come, the Lord came in the flesh to do his work whether the people were prepared or not, and he would not have come at all if he had waited till the people were prepared to receive him. It was decreed from all eternity that he should come, and he came; the people were not prepared then, nor are they any more prepared now. And now the full set time has come for the Lord [p. 1717]
September 9 ‘Some Elders tell us that they have taught the gathering according to the Scriptures, but it is not sufficient to teach the principle from the Scriptures alone; for if there was no other guide, the people would be left in doubt as to whether they should gather to , Africa, , or elsewhere. It is right to teach the gathering according to the Scriptures although some predictions of the prophets are obscure, but we are not left to them alone. We know, and all the Saints ought to know, that God has appointed a place and time of gathering, and has raised up a prophet to bring it about; of which we are witnesses. Our message is, that we are witnesses of the filfilment of the predictions of the prophets.
We have not to lay down a long round-about of arguments and calculations:— the specific time and place are pointed out, the stakes are driven, the foundations of the and are laid, and a people already gathered. We therefore know where to go; and to reject the Revelations of God which have pointed out these things to us, only brings condemnation. If this is not the case, then our faith is vain, and our works and hopes are vain also.
We worship a God who can inspire his servants to tell the people what to do. We have already got the opinions of men enough concerning the coming of Jesus Christ; but we need the voice of a Prophet in such a case, and we have it. I am willing to risk my all upon it; and if the Elders understand the principle of gathering and teach it correctly, the people will have the correct Spirit of the gathering.
It is time we came out, and declared boldly and definitely what God has for the people; we want more than opinions— we want your works. He has said he would send a prophet to prepare the way; and [HC 6:11] let me ask these profound Sectarians why he has not done it? If the angels found a God in heaven able to give instructions, shield them from sword and famine &c. why have we not found him? Let the teachers bear the Message they are entrusted with, and if they wish then for scripture, tell them that they were in fulfilment of prophecy; but let them have the whole message.’
Elder said he for one had taught the gathering according to the Scriptures, but he considered all modern revelations Scripture as well as those given anciently.
Elder addressed the meeting on the subject of our faith.
‘We hear the Elders represent the feeling of the brethren concerning the gathering— this is right. The Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is a gathering spirit; its tendency is to gather the virtuous and good, the honest and meek of the earth, and in fine the Saints of God. The time has come when the Lord is determined to fulfil his purposes. The people are apt to say that if they had lived in the days of Jesus Christ they would have received his work; but judge ye if the people are better now than then. They are not. When the full set time was come, the Lord came in the flesh to do his work whether the people were prepared or not, and he would not have come at all if he had waited till the people were prepared to receive him. It was decreed from all eternity that he should come, and he came; the people were not prepared then, nor are they any more prepared now. And now the full set time has come for the Lord [p. 1717]
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