Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Unidentified Scribe

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, Hancock Co., IL], 16 May 1841. Featured version copied as “Remarks by Joseph May 16th. 1841” in a collection of discourses, pp. [1]–[2]; unidentified handwriting; JS Collection, CHL.

Bifolium measuring 9⅞ × 7¾ inches (25 × 20 cm) and ruled with twenty-eight blue lines per page. The bifolium was originally part of a larger document recording multiple discourses; the text at the top of the recto of the first leaf starts in the middle of a sentence and the text at the bottom of the verso of the second leaf ends in the middle of a sentence. Also, residue remains from adhesive wafers (four on the recto of the first leaf and two on the verso of the second leaf), indicating that the bifolium was at one point fastened to more pages. This discourse was inscribed on the recto and verso of the first leaf.

Although the custodial history of this document is uncertain, by 1973 it had been included in the JS Collection at the Church Historical Department (now CHL).
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See the full bibliographic entry for JS Collection, 1827–1844, in the CHL catalog.

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  See the full bibliographic entry for JS Collection, 1827–1844, in the CHL catalog.
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scaffold forever but could not avail so much as a gnat towards their forgiveness; there is no forgiveness for murderers they will have to wait untill the times of redemtion shall come and that in hell. Peter had the of eternal Judgement & he saw David in hell & knew for what reason. & that David would have to remain there untill the reserrection, at the coming of Christ.

Rommans 9 All election that can be found in the scriptures is according to the flesh and pertaining to the [p. [2]]

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Editorial Title
Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Unidentified Scribe
ID #
7841
Total Pages
2
Handwriting on This Page
- Unidentified
Footnotes
1. 5
  See Matthew 16:19.
2. 6
  A few months earlier, JS had presented similar teachings about the situation of David, who repented for his misdeeds but did not receive forgiveness for causing Uriah’s death. According to William McIntire’s account of that discourse, JS taught about “the Resurection & Eternal Judgment in the Eternal Judgment there is many things to know & to under stand in Gods Judging for instance Peter said David had not yet ascend to heaven & that he was a Murderer— & that his soul was in Hell is plainly told By Peter in acts— 2d. ch— Petter shews plainer [i]t in the 3d of acts that a Murderer could Not be Red[ee]med intill he would send Jesus Christ which before was preached unto you &c— that is that faith Repentance & Baptism would not save them untill the[y] ware scourged in hell or paid the Last farthing.” (Account of Meeting, 12 Jan. 1841; see also 2 Samuel 11:15–17; and Acts 2:29–34.)

Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Unidentified Scribe

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