Times and Seasons, 1 June 1842

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mud which is not traditional, do not pretend that their work is any thing more than the ordinances of men.
10. There is no ordination of priests among the Israelites.
11. Such an ordination cannot and dare not be introduced.
12. As there is no ordained clergy every one is at liberty to interpret the scriptures.
13. The decrees of the synod were only in force for a time.
14. All these decrees lost their force when ordination ceased.
15. The traditional ordinances have no higher authority than the decrees of the synod.
16. The Talmudists have introduced and abrogated laws.
17. The Talmud does not admit of any exclusion of the Agada.
18. The histories, and interpretations of the Talmud have no mystical sense, and very seldom an allegorical one.
19. The articles of faith of Marmonides are not founded in the Talmud.
20. The Talmud has never been followed in the spirit of it.
21. Moses has not introduced any ordination according to the sense in which that word is usually taken.
22. The laws of Moses are sufficiently intelligible.—Jewish Intelligencer.
 
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From the Millenial Star.
CAN I NOT BE SAVED WITHOUT BAPTISM?
Question.—Can you be saved with baptism?
Answer.—Yes I may be saved if I am baptized; for Jesus Christ has said, that he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
Question.—But can you not be saved without believing?
Answer.—“Without faith it is impossible to please him; therefore, if I do not please him, how can I expect to be saved by him?
Question.—True, but suppose it were possible for you to exercise faith in Jesus, and yet neglect to do the things which he and his apostles commanded; would he be pleased with that neglect any more than with a want of faith?
Answer.—the commandments of Christ are a law to his children; and if I break his commandments, I break the law of God, and that would be sin, for “sin is the transgression of the law;” and sin is the thing which God hates.
Question.—And is it reasonable to expect that you can be saved by displeasing God?
Answer.—I discover the force of your question, but I am determined to have the truth; and I know that Jesus says, “he that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved;” but does the scripture any where say, that he that is not baptized shall be lost?
Question.—Has God more than one method of saving sinners?
Answer—I think not, for that would imply that he was changeable, and had respect to persons if he would save one on one condition, and another on other terms.
Question.—And did not Christ say to Nicodemus, that except a man be born of water, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God?
Answer.—Yes, but did he not mean spirit, when he said water?
Question,—Do you believe that the Bible is true?
Answer.—Most assuredly I do.
Question.—Then how can you suppose he meant spirit when he said water,—for he said “of water and of the spiritputting the “water first, and the spirit after; for if he meant spirit when he said water, he should have said of water and of water, which would make the Bible to tell a falsehood as it now stands, and you say you believe the Bible is true?
Answer.—Yes, I do,—and I perceive that there would be an inconsistency in the phrase spirit and spirit, although I had always supposed that the water meant spirit in this place.
Question.—Do you not remember that Jesus was baptized of John in Jordan in a river of water, and that to fulfil all righteousness as Christ himself said.
Answer.—Yes.
Question.—And that Peter who hold the keys of the kingdom of heaven, commanded those who enquired on the day of Pentecost, what they should do to be saved, to be baptized every one of them for the remission of their sins?
Answer.—O, yes!
Question.—And that Paul who had a share in the same ministry, required the people to be buried with him (Christ) by baptism for the answer of a good contience, as Peter says; and what would [p. 811]
mud which is not traditional, do not pretend that their work is any thing more than the ordinances of men.
10. There is no ordination of priests among the Israelites.
11. Such an ordination cannot and dare not be introduced.
12. As there is no ordained clergy every one is at liberty to interpret the scriptures.
13. The decrees of the synod were only in force for a time.
14. All these decrees lost their force when ordination ceased.
15. The traditional ordinances have no higher authority than the decrees of the synod.
16. The Talmudists have introduced and abrogated laws.
17. The Talmud does not admit of any exclusion of the Agada.
18. The histories, and interpretations of the Talmud have no mystical sense, and very seldom an allegorical one.
19. The articles of faith of Marmonides are not founded in the Talmud.
20. The Talmud has never been followed in the spirit of it.
21. Moses has not introduced any ordination according to the sense in which that word is usually taken.
22. The laws of Moses are sufficiently intelligible.—Jewish Intelligencer.
 
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From the Millenial Star.
CAN I NOT BE SAVED WITHOUT BAPTISM?
Question.—Can you be saved with baptism?
Answer.—Yes I may be saved if I am baptized; for Jesus Christ has said, that he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
Question.—But can you not be saved without believing?
Answer.—“Without faith it is impossible to please him; therefore, if I do not please him, how can I expect to be saved by him?
Question.—True, but suppose it were possible for you to exercise faith in Jesus, and yet neglect to do the things which he and his apostles commanded; would he be pleased with that neglect any more than with a want of faith?
Answer.—the commandments of Christ are a law to his children; and if I break his commandments, I break the law of God, and that would be sin, for “sin is the transgression of the law;” and sin is the thing which God hates.
Question.—And is it reasonable to expect that you can be saved by displeasing God?
Answer.—I discover the force of your question, but I am determined to have the truth; and I know that Jesus says, “he that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved;” but does the scripture any where say, that he that is not baptized shall be lost?
Question.—Has God more than one method of saving sinners?
Answer—I think not, for that would imply that he was changeable, and had respect to persons if he would save one on one condition, and another on other terms.
Question.—And did not Christ say to Nicodemus, that except a man be born of water, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God?
Answer.—Yes, but did he not mean spirit, when he said water?
Question,—Do you believe that the Bible is true?
Answer.—Most assuredly I do.
Question.—Then how can you suppose he meant spirit when he said water,—for he said “of water and of the spirit” putting the “water first, and the spirit after; for if he meant spirit when he said water, he should have said of water and of water, which would make the Bible to tell a falsehood as it now stands, and you say you believe the Bible is true?
Answer.—Yes, I do,—and I perceive that there would be an inconsistency in the phrase spirit and spirit, although I had always supposed that the water meant spirit in this place.
Question.—Do you not remember that Jesus was baptized of John in Jordan in a river of water, and that to fulfil all righteousness as Christ himself said.
Answer.—Yes.
Question.—And that Peter who hold the keys of the kingdom of heaven, commanded those who enquired on the day of Pentecost, what they should do to be saved, to be baptized every one of them for the remission of their sins?
Answer.—O, yes!
Question.—And that Paul who had a share in the same ministry, required the people to be buried with him (Christ) by baptism for the answer of a good contience, as Peter says; and what would [p. 811]
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