Times and Seasons, 2 May 1842

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Lord. The church then numbered about fifty members, and three priests; now there are nearly four times that number of members. . . . Scores are believing in many of the adjoining towns and we are baptizing almost daily.
“Last Sabbath was a day long to be remembered; there were seventeen confirmed, and several ordained to offices in the church. In the evening when I gave my farewell address, there were hundreds to listen, many of whom could not get into the chappel.”—Mil. Star, Jan.
In , , Birmingham, , and in different parts of England, Scotland, and Wales, the work of God is rolling forth with great rapidity.
We have also received many interesting communications from different parts of the . The little stone rolls forth with unprecedented rapidity, and many are joining the standard of truth. We extract the following.
Elder writes from Utica, N.Y.; and states that the work is rolling forth in all that district of country where he has travelled; he has lately organized a branch in Utica, of 30 members, and wishes the saints, and traveling elders to be notified that their will be a CONFERENCE held in the City of Utica, on the 11th of June, commencing at 11 o’clock, P. M.
 
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THE JEWS.
Conversation between a Jewish Rabbi and Mr. Ewald Missionary.
On the Trinity he says I opened the Sohar Parsha Ackremoth, I read the mystery of Eloheim, in this there are three degrees, and every one of them subsists by itself and yet all of them are one, and united together in one, nor can they be separated from one another.
Rabbi Judedea said, this is a mystery about which I am not permitted to speak.
In speaking of Jesus the Rabbi said not one of the wise men believed on him; all his disciples were poor ignorant fishermen and daily laborers.—We read in Cabala that the Holy Ghost descends only on a wise man, or a rich man, or a valiant man.
M. The Yalkut says that in the days of the Messiah the swine shall be lawfully eaten by the Jews.
R. You do not understand the meaning of this passage our wise men explain it thus:—“When Israel were carried away to Babylon all the fishes of the Holy land emigrated with them; and when they returned the fish returned with them, except one fish Mashpa, who remained and would not return; he said he would stay till Messiah came; the Rabbies gave him then the name of Haser, (i.e.) returning and therefore the Yalkut said that in the times of the Messiah the Haser will be lawfully eaten by the Jews but you understand by Haser the swine, while we understand the fish.[”]
M. Speaking of the Messiah, he is the only begotten of the Father before the world.
R. Who tells you that?
M. The New Testament.
R. This is no authority with me.
M. What do you make of Gen. xlix, 10.
R. There are yet rulers of Israel for instance in Constantinople.
M. Have you ever read our New Testament?
R. No, I have them burned as often as I can. . . . . . But if he whom you call Christ were the Messiah would not the Sanhedrim who were the wisest men on earth, have believed in him.
M. Have your wise men ever believed the messengers of God? How did they treat them? Your fathers killed all the prophets.
R. It is for that we are in gallooth.
M. You are in gallooth because you did reject Christ:—this is your gallooth here, and your gallooth in the world to come is greater. . . . . . The Missionary then spoke of Messiah &c. &c. The Rabbi answered: well, well, you believe it;—well we do not.
M. Then you will have no part of the world to come, you will reject the message which has been sent to you from God, by the prophets which we quote.
R. The prophets have been sent to us it is true; but when they have spoken evil of Israel, God has killed them; therefore take care how you speak. On account of the sin which Isaiah committed in saying “Wo is me for I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips; and dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips,” he was killed by God; God sent an angel who put something on his lips by which he was killed, . . . . . a live coal on his lips from which he died.— -[Jewish Intelligencer.]-
It is very difficult to ascertain which of the above have displayed the most ignorance in re [p. 780]
Lord. The church then numbered about fifty members, and three priests; now there are nearly four times that number of members. . . . Scores are believing in many of the adjoining towns and we are baptizing almost daily.
“Last Sabbath was a day long to be remembered; there were seventeen confirmed, and several ordained to offices in the church. In the evening when I gave my farewell address, there were hundreds to listen, many of whom could not get into the chappel.”—Mil. Star, Jan.
In , , Birmingham, , and in different parts of England, Scotland, and Wales, the work of God is rolling forth with great rapidity.
We have also received many interesting communications from different parts of the . The little stone rolls forth with unprecedented rapidity, and many are joining the standard of truth. We extract the following.
Elder writes from Utica, N.Y.; and states that the work is rolling forth in all that district of country where he has travelled; he has lately organized a branch in Utica, of 30 members, and wishes the saints, and traveling elders to be notified that their will be a CONFERENCE held in the City of Utica, on the 11th of June, commencing at 11 o’clock, P. M.
 
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THE JEWS.
Conversation between a Jewish Rabbi and Mr. Ewald Missionary.
On the Trinity he says I opened the Sohar Parsha Ackremoth, I read the mystery of Eloheim, in this there are three degrees, and every one of them subsists by itself and yet all of them are one, and united together in one, nor can they be separated from one another.
Rabbi Judedea said, this is a mystery about which I am not permitted to speak.
In speaking of Jesus the Rabbi said not one of the wise men believed on him; all his disciples were poor ignorant fishermen and daily laborers.—We read in Cabala that the Holy Ghost descends only on a wise man, or a rich man, or a valiant man.
M. The Yalkut says that in the days of the Messiah the swine shall be lawfully eaten by the Jews.
R. You do not understand the meaning of this passage our wise men explain it thus:—“When Israel were carried away to Babylon all the fishes of the Holy land emigrated with them; and when they returned the fish returned with them, except one fish Mashpa, who remained and would not return; he said he would stay till Messiah came; the Rabbies gave him then the name of Haser, (i.e.) returning and therefore the Yalkut said that in the times of the Messiah the Haser will be lawfully eaten by the Jews but you understand by Haser the swine, while we understand the fish.”
M. Speaking of the Messiah, he is the only begotten of the Father before the world.
R. Who tells you that?
M. The New Testament.
R. This is no authority with me.
M. What do you make of Gen. xlix, 10.
R. There are yet rulers of Israel for instance in Constantinople.
M. Have you ever read our New Testament?
R. No, I have them burned as often as I can. . . . . . But if he whom you call Christ were the Messiah would not the Sanhedrim who were the wisest men on earth, have believed in him.
M. Have your wise men ever believed the messengers of God? How did they treat them? Your fathers killed all the prophets.
R. It is for that we are in gallooth.
M. You are in gallooth because you did reject Christ:—this is your gallooth here, and your gallooth in the world to come is greater. . . . . . The Missionary then spoke of Messiah &c. &c. The Rabbi answered: well, well, you believe it;—well we do not.
M. Then you will have no part of the world to come, you will reject the message which has been sent to you from God, by the prophets which we quote.
R. The prophets have been sent to us it is true; but when they have spoken evil of Israel, God has killed them; therefore take care how you speak. On account of the sin which Isaiah committed in saying “Wo is me for I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips; and dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips,” he was killed by God; God sent an angel who put something on his lips by which he was killed, . . . . . a live coal on his lips from which he died.— -[Jewish Intelligencer.]-
It is very difficult to ascertain which of the above have displayed the most ignorance in re [p. 780]
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