Account of Meeting and Discourses, circa 9 March 1841

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Subject 1st. on the Gospel By father Cole he said that th Some thought that He difered from president Smith Concerning the time of the Giving of the — as teach that all men Receive the Holy Ghost before Joseph said men do not take Notice of things as they Read them— or they might know things as they Read them— he quotes Petter 2d. Repent & be Baptized &c— & ye shall Receive the Gift of the Holly Ghost— Now said he (taking up his Cap & presenting to ) in Giveing you this Gift is not Giving myself— However there is a in With <​the​> Holy Ghost & Key— the Holy Ghost over shadows you & witness unto you of the authority & the Gifts of the Holy Ghost— he said was the provence of the Father to preside as the Chief or president— Jesus as the Mediator & Holy Ghost as the testator or witness— the Son Had a Tabernicle & so had the father But the Holly Ghost is a personage of spirit without tabernicle the Great God has a Name By wich he will be Called Which is Ahman— also in [p. [14]] asking have Referance to a personage Like Adam for God made Adam Just in his own Image Now this a key for you to know how to ask & obtain
Next was Robinson on the Gospel he spoke of adam pertaking of the forbiden fruit & so-on—
Joseph said a person ought always take his subject along— for instance Jesus in all his Doctrines & pariables set it forth Like a tree or mustard stock Comencing at the foundation & Root thence up to the first Branch & out along it then back to the body of the tree or subject & thence to the Next Branch & so-on Now as to Adam the Lord said in the day thou shalt Eat there of thou shalt shurely Die Now the Day the Lord has Refferance too is spoken of By Petter a thousand of our years is with the Lord as one Day &c at the time the Lord said this to adam there was No mode of Counting time By man, as man Now Counts time
Next was on Phisickal Education for the Health & preservation of the Lungs— [p. [15]]


  1. 1

    The confusion over when one received the gift of the Holy Ghost may have stemmed from the teaching in Latter-day Saint scripture that, before baptism, the Spirit can witness of the truth and prompt a person to be baptized. The Book of Mormon teaches that the “spirit of Christ is given to every man, that they may know good from evil,” and the book encourages readers to “ask God, the eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost; and by the power of the Holy Ghost, ye may know the truth of all things.” Despite the Book of Mormon’s references to the Spirit of Christ or the role of the Holy Ghost in testifying of truth to people, JS made a clear distinction between experiencing the influence of the Spirit and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, which came only after baptism. In an 1839 letter to Isaac Galland, JS taught that the “promise of the gift of the Holy Ghost, [was] predicated upon the baptism for the remission of sins.” (Book of Mormon, 1840 ed., 561, 569 [Moroni 7:16; 10:3–4]; Letter to Isaac Galland, 22 Mar. 1839.)  

  2. 2

    Though McIntire recorded this scriptural reference as being from 2 Peter, JS is here referencing a quotation from Peter given in Acts 2:38.  

  3. 3

    William Law was appointed a counselor in the First Presidency in January 1841. (Revelation, 19 Jan. 1841 [D&C 124:126].)  

  4. 4

    See Hebrews 8:6; and 1 Timothy 2:5.  

  5. 5

    See Hebrews 10:15; and Book of Mormon, 1840 ed., 118 [2 Nephi 31:18].  

  6. 6

    For more on the concept of the Godhead and corporeality, see Paulsen, “Early Christian Belief in a Corporeal Deity,” 105–116; see also Discourse, ca. 16 Feb. 1841.  

    Paulsen, David L. “Early Christian Belief in a Corporeal Deity: Origen and Augustine as Reluctant Witnesses.” Harvard Theological Review 83, no. 2 (Apr. 1990): 105–116.

  7. 7

    JS’s first known usage of the term “Ahman” to refer to God appears in “Sample of Pure Language,” which was prepared in 1832. In that document, JS taught that the “pure” language is the language Adam and Eve spoke with God in the Garden of Eden. The document includes the question, “What is the name of God in pure Language,” to which JS responded, “Awmen.” The document further identified “the name of the Son of God” as “the Son Awmen.” JS explained that the meaning of “Awmen” was “the being which made all things in all its parts.” (Sample of Pure Language, between ca. 4 and ca. 20 Mar. 1832.)  

  8. 8

    See Genesis 1:26–27.  

  9. 9

    Likely either George W. Robinson or Ebenezer Robinson.  

  10. 10

    See Genesis 3:1–6; and Old Testament Revision 1, pp. 6–7 [Moses 4:6–12].  

  11. 11

    See Matthew 13:31; Mark 4:31; and Luke 13:19.  

  12. 12

    See Genesis 2:17; and Old Testament Revision 1, pp. 5–6 [Moses 3:17].  

  13. 13

    See 2 Peter 3:8.