Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Unidentified Scribe
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Source Note
JS, Discourse, [, Hancock Co., IL], 16 May 1841. Featured version copied as “Remarks by Joseph May 16th. 1841” in a collection of discourses, pp. [1]–[2]; unidentified handwriting; JS Collection, CHL.Bifolium measuring 9⅞ × 7¾ inches (25 × 20 cm) and ruled with twenty-eight blue lines per page. The bifolium was originally part of a larger document recording multiple discourses; the text at the top of the recto of the first leaf starts in the middle of a sentence and the text at the bottom of the verso of the second leaf ends in the middle of a sentence. Also, residue remains from adhesive wafers (four on the recto of the first leaf and two on the verso of the second leaf), indicating that the bifolium was at one point fastened to more pages. This discourse was inscribed on the recto and verso of the first leaf.Although the custodial history of this document is uncertain, by 1973 it had been included in the JS Collection at the Church Historical Department (now CHL).
Footnotes
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See the full bibliographic entry for JS Collection, 1827–1844, in the CHL catalog.
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Historical Introduction
See Historical Introduction to Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Times and Seasons.
Document Transcript
Footnotes
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A September 1830 revelation taught that “it Must needs be that the Devil should tempt the children of men or they could not be agents unto themselves for if they never should have bitter they could not k[n]ow the Sweet.” (Revelation, Sept. 1830–A [D&C 29:39].)
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In a January 1841 sermon, JS taught, “All beings who have bodies have power over those who have not.” In another, separate discourse that month, he further explained that “before foundation of the Earth in the Grand-Counsel that the spirits of all men ware subject to opression & the express purpose of God in Giveing it a tabernicle was to arm it against the power of Darkness.” (Accounts of Meeting and Discourse, 5 Jan. 1841; Account of Meeting, ca. 19 Jan. 1841.)
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See Acts 2:38. The citation of Acts 2:41 was apparently a mistake made by JS or the scribe.
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See Acts 3:19–20. The citation of Acts 3:12 was apparently a mistake made by JS or the scribe.
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See Matthew 16:19.
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A few months earlier, JS had presented similar teachings about the situation of David, who repented for his misdeeds but did not receive forgiveness for causing Uriah’s death. According to William McIntire’s account of that discourse, JS taught about “the Resurection & Eternal Judgment in the Eternal Judgment there is many things to know & to under stand in Gods Judging for instance Peter said David had not yet ascend to heaven & that he was a Murderer— & that his soul was in Hell is plainly told By Peter in acts— 2d. ch— Petter shews plainer [i]t in the 3d of acts that a Murderer could Not be Red[ee]med intill he would send Jesus Christ which before was preached unto you &c— that is that faith Repentance & Baptism would not save them untill the[y] ware scourged in hell or paid the Last farthing.” (Account of Meeting, 12 Jan. 1841; see also 2 Samuel 11:15–17; and Acts 2:29–34.)