Discourse, 16 May 1841, as Reported by Unidentified Scribe

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Remarks by Joseph May 16th. 1841
There are three independant principles; the spirit of God. the spirit of Man. & the spirit of the Devil. All men have power to resist the Devil. They who have Taber[n]acles have power over those who have not. The docterine of eternal judgement acts 2— 41 Peter preached repent & be in the name of jesus Christ for the remision of sins &c but in act 3 12 he says repent and be converted that your sins my be forgiven blotted out when the times of refreshing <​redemption​> shall come & he shall send jesus &c remission of sins by baptisom was not to be preached to murderers. all the preasts in crisendom might pray for a murderer on the [p. [1]] scaffold forever but could not avail so much as a gnat towards their forgiveness; there is no forgiveness for murderers they will have to wait untill the times of redemtion shall come and that in hell. Peter had the of eternal Judgement & he saw David in hell & knew for what reason. & that David would have to remain there untill the reserrection, at the coming of Christ. Rommans 9 All election that can be found in the scriptures is according to the flesh and pertaining to the [p. [2]]


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    A September 1830 revelation taught that “it Must needs be that the Devil should tempt the children of men or they could not be agents unto themselves for if they never should have bitter they could not k[n]ow the Sweet.” (Revelation, Sept. 1830–A [D&C 29:39].)  

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    In a January 1841 sermon, JS taught, “All beings who have bodies have power over those who have not.” In another, separate discourse that month, he further explained that “before foundation of the Earth in the Grand-Counsel that the spirits of all men ware subject to opression & the express purpose of God in Giveing it a tabernicle was to arm it against the power of Darkness.” (Accounts of Meeting and Discourse, 5 Jan. 1841; Account of Meeting, ca. 19 Jan. 1841.)  

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    See Acts 2:38. The citation of Acts 2:41 was apparently a mistake made by JS or the scribe.  

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    See Acts 3:19–20. The citation of Acts 3:12 was apparently a mistake made by JS or the scribe.  

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    See Matthew 16:19.  

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    A few months earlier, JS had presented similar teachings about the situation of David, who repented for his misdeeds but did not receive forgiveness for causing Uriah’s death. According to William McIntire’s account of that discourse, JS taught about “the Resurection & Eternal Judgment in the Eternal Judgment there is many things to know & to under stand in Gods Judging for instance Peter said David had not yet ascend to heaven & that he was a Murderer— & that his soul was in Hell is plainly told By Peter in acts— 2d. ch— Petter shews plainer [i]t in the 3d of acts that a Murderer could Not be Red[ee]med intill he would send Jesus Christ which before was preached unto you &c— that is that faith Repentance & Baptism would not save them untill the[y] ware scourged in hell or paid the Last farthing.” (Account of Meeting, 12 Jan. 1841; see also 2 Samuel 11:15–17; and Acts 2:29–34.)