Minutes and Discourse, 2 May 1835, as Reported by William E. McLellin–A

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May 2d— 1835
According to appointment the , the a part of the , and some other of the met in this morning in order to consult the affairs of the church. &c. Conference was opened by Elder by prayer. President J. Smith Junr presiding. After conference was opened and the Twelve took their seats. he stated that it would be the duty of the twelve to appoint the oldest one of their number to preside in their councils, beginning at the oldest and so on until the youngest has presided and then beginning at the oldest again. &c. The Twelve took their seats regularly according to their ages as follows. . , , & . The president then stated that the Twelve will have no right to go into or any of its and there undertake to regulate the affairs thereof where there is a standing . But it is their duty to go abroad and regulate all matters relative to the different of the Church. When the Twelve are together, or a of them in any Church, they will have authority to act independently and make decisions, and those decisions, and those decissions are valid. But where there is not a quorum they will have to do business by the voice of the Church. No standing high council has authority his to go into the churches abroad and regulate the matters thereof, for this belongs to the Twelve. No High Council will ever be established only in Zion or one of its Stakes. When the twelve pass a decision it is in the name of the church, Therefore, it is valid. No individual has a right to go into any church [p. 187] and any minister for the , unless it is by the Voice of the Church. No has a right to go into any of the church and appoint meetings or regulate the Church without the consent or advic[e] of the presiding Elder of said branch. If the first are all occupied, and there is a call for more laborers it will be the duty of the seven presidents of the first seventy to call and ordain other Seventy and send them forth to labor, in the vineyard until if need be they set a part apart seven times Seventy, even until there shall be one hundred & forty and four thousand. The Seventy are not to attend the of the unless they are called upon or requested to by the Twelve. The twelve and the Seventy have particularly to depend upon their Ministry for their support and that of their families, and they have a right by virtue of their offices to call upon the Church to assist them.
Elder was called forward & ordained to be one of the 70. President ’s circumstances were considered relative to his traveling in the vineyard, and it was unanimously agreed & voted, that he should hold himself in readiness to go at the call of the Twelve, when the Lord opens the way. President s circumstances were considered and determined as follows <​the former​>
President d[itt]o.
President do.
President do.
President do.
President do.
Elder ’s case and circumstances were considered and voted that he hold himself in readiness to travel in the ministry at the call of the president of the 70 when the Lord opens the way. [p. 188]
Elias Hutchings Voted that he be called upon when his circumstances will permit
Elder Henry Shibley Voted that he hold himself ready to go when called upon.
Elder do.
do
do.
do.
do voted to be called upon when his circumstances will permit.
— to go when called upon.
to be called upon when his circumstances will permit
to hold himself in readiness
Levi Gifford to be called upon when his circumstances will permit.
do.
do.
do.
Alden Burdick do.
do.
do.
do.
do.
To hold himself in readiness.
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Lewis Robbins "
Darwin Richardson "
"
Daniel Stevens [Stephens]
adjourned for one hour met [p. 189]
Met again according to adjournment with the addition of the of . The & and his council from and the & his council of .
Hiram Stratten [Stratton] to hold himself in readiness
’s case was called up and he was suspended as an and member until an investigation could be had before the . A complaint having been entered to the Bishop’[s] court against him by .
, To go when circumstances permit.
do.
Salmon Warner do
do.
Charles Kelly do
Alexander Whitesides [Whiteside] do
Hiram Blackman do
George W. Brooks [Brook] do.
Jacob Chapman do.
do.
then came forward and received his as one of the
Henry Bennor [Benner] as the former
Michael Griffith do.
do.
Libbeus T. Coon[s] do.
to hold himself in readiness
do.
do.
David Evans do.
do
Milo Andrus do
Harry Brown do
Jesse Huntsman do
[p. 190]
do
do
These men’s circumstances and cases were considered and they were disposed of as the directed.
The of and its vicinity were next called upon, or their circumstances were considered. Their names being enrolled. J. Smith Junr arose with the list in his hands and made some very appropriate remarks, relative to the deliverance of and so much of the Authority being present, he moved that we never give up the struggle for Zion, even until Death. or until Zion is Redeemed. The vote was unanimous and with apparent deep feeling. Voted that all the Elders of the are bound to travel in the World to preach the gospel with all their might mind & Strength when their circumstances will admit of it, and that the door is now opened. Motioned, seconded & voted that Elder , & Amos Orton are appointed to go and preach the gospel to the . <​the door to be opened by​> Motioned, seconded & voted Elder and this will open a door to all the house of Joseph.
Motioned, seconded & voted. that when another is required, the presidency of the first Seventy, shall choose and set them apart from among the most experienced Elders of the Church.
Motioned, Seconded & voted, that whenever the labor of other Seventy is required and they are to be set apart & ordained to that office. Those who are residing at and the regions round about, who can come to , do so and be set apart and ordained. to that office by the in But the Presidency of the 70 are to choose of the most experienced Elders abroad and ordain & set apart to [p. 191] that office but are not to do it at or any of the thereof.
closed by prayer by
Clerk [p. 192]

Footnotes

  1. 1

    Orson Pratt recorded in his journal that “the greatest part of the 70 disciples” attended the meeting. The minutes in the Record of the Twelve specify that six of the seven presidents of the SeventySylvester Smith, Leonard Rich, Lyman Sherman, Hazen Aldrich, Joseph Young, and Levi Hancock—were in attendance, with Zebedee Coltrin absent. (Pratt, Diary, 2 May 1835.)  

    Pratt, Orson. Diaries, 1833–1837. Orson Pratt, Autobiography and Journals, 1833–1847. CHL. MS 587, fds. 2–4.

  2. 2

    In a 27 February 1835 meeting, JS explained that whenever the Twelve met “in the capacity of a council to transact business,” the oldest of them was to preside. (Minutes and Discourses, 27 Feb. 1835.)  

  3. 3

    Although it was believed at the time that Thomas B. Marsh’s birthday was 1 November 1799, making him older than David W. Patten, who was born 17 November 1799, Marsh was actually born on 1 November 1800, making him younger than Patten. This discovery was apparently not made before Patten’s death in October 1838. (Whiting, David W. Patten, 1; Vital Records of Acton, Massachusetts, 81; Anderson, “Thomas B. Marsh,” 129, 145.)  

    Whiting, Linda Shelley. David W. Patten: Apostle and Martyr. Springville, UT: Cedar Fort, 2003.

    Vital Records of Acton, Massachusetts, to the Year 1850. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1923.

    Anderson, A. Gary. “Thomas B. Marsh: The Preparation and Conversion of the Emerging Apostle.” In Regional Studies in Latter-day Saint Church History: New York, edited by Larry C. Porter, Milton V. Backman Jr., and Susan Easton Black, 129–148. Provo, UT: Department of Church History and Doctrine, Brigham Young University, 1992.

  4. 4

    On 27 February 1835, JS told the Twelve that they were a “traveling high council, who are to preside over all the churches of the Saints among the Gentiles, where there is no presidency established.” The Instruction on Priesthood, which was prepared around the same time, states that the Twelve were “to build up the church, and regulate all the affairs of the same, in all nations: first unto the Gentiles, and secondly unto the Jews.” (Minutes and Discourses, 27 Feb. 1835; Instruction on Priesthood, between ca. 1 Mar. and ca. 4 May 1835 [D&C 107:33].)  

  5. 5

    See Instruction on Priesthood, between ca. 1 Mar. and ca. 4 May 1835 [D&C 107:95–96]. The number 144,000 may have been an allusion to Revelation 7:4. (See also Answers to Questions, between ca. 4 and ca. 20 Mar. 1832 [D&C 77:11].)  

  6. 6

    According to the minutes of an October 1831 conference, JS stated at that time that “the Lord held the Church bound to provide for the families of the absent Elders while proclaiming the Gospel.” (Minutes, 25–26 Oct. 1831; see also Revelation, 25 Jan. 1832–B [D&C 75:24].)  

  7. 7

    Harriman had previously been designated as a member of the Seventy at an 8 March 1835 meeting in Kirtland, Ohio. (Minutes and Discourses, 7–8 Mar. 1835.)  

  8. 8

    Young, Sylvester Smith, Lyman Sherman, Leonard Rich, Hazen Aldrich, Zebedee Coltrin, and Levi Hancock were the seven presidents of the Seventy. (Young, History of the Organization of the Seventies, 4.)  

    Young, Joseph, Sr. History of the Organization of the Seventies: Names of First and Second Quorums. Items in Relation to the First Presidency of the Seventies. Also, a Brief Glance at Enoch and His City. Embellished with a Likeness of Joseph Smith, the Prophet, and a View of the Kirtland Temple. Salt Lake City: Deseret News Steam Printing Establishment, 1878.

  9. 9

    Hiram Winters and the twenty-six men that follow (through Daniel Stephens) were all ordained members of the Seventy at meetings held on 28 February and 1 March 1835. (Minutes and Blessings, 28 Feb.–1 Mar. 1835; Minutes, Discourse, and Blessings, 1 Mar. 1835.)  

  10. 10

    Stratton was ordained a seventy on 1 March 1835. (Minutes, Discourse, and Blessings, 1 Mar. 1835.)  

  11. 11

    There is no further information on the nature of Thayer’s offense. On 1 March 1835, Thayer was blessed and told “thou art one of the 70.” However, when a broadside listing “the First Seventy Elders” was published in 1836, Thayer was not included. (The Twelve Apostles [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836], copy at CHL.)  

    The Twelve Apostles. [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836]. Copy at CHL.

  12. 12

    Pratt and the following four individuals (through Charles Kelly) were all ordained members of the Seventy on 1 March 1835. (Minutes, Discourse, and Blessings, 1 Mar. 1835.)  

  13. 13

    There is no record of when Whiteside and the next four individuals (through Stephen Winchester) were ordained members of the Seventy, but they are among “the First Seventy Elders” listed in the 1836 broadside. (The Twelve Apostles [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836], copy at CHL.)  

    The Twelve Apostles. [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836]. Copy at CHL.

  14. 14

    In the minutes of meetings held on 7 and 8 March 1835, Lorenzo Barnes is listed with several others designated as men who “belong to the Seventy but the time of their ordination cann[o]t be accurately ascertained.” Barnes was probably selected as a member of the Seventy earlier but did not receive his ordination until this 2 May 1835 meeting. (Minutes and Discourses, 7–8 Mar. 1835.)  

  15. 15

    Benner and the three individuals who follow (through Libbeus Coons) all participated in the Camp of Israel expedition. (Account with the Church of Christ, ca. 11–29 Aug. 1834.)  

  16. 16

    In the minutes of the 7–8 March 1835 meetings, Zerubbabel Snow is listed as a member of the Seventy whose date of ordination was not known. (Minutes and Discourses, 7–8 Mar. 1835.)  

  17. 17

    Willard Snow and George A. Smith were both ordained members of the Seventy on 1 March 1835. (Minutes, Discourse, and Blessings, 1 Mar. 1835.)  

  18. 18

    It is not clear when David Evans and Jesse Harmon were ordained seventies, but both are included in the 1836 broadside. (The Twelve Apostles [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836], copy at CHL.)  

    The Twelve Apostles. [Kirtland, OH: ca. Apr. 1836]. Copy at CHL.

  19. 19

    In the minutes of meetings held on 7 and 8 March 1835, Milo Andrus, Harry Brown, and Jesse Huntsman are all listed as members of the Seventy whose dates of ordination were not known. (Minutes and Discourse, 7–8 Mar. 1835.)  

  20. 20

    That is, to the American Indians. At meetings held on 7 and 8 March 1835, Amos Orton “was ordained an Elder and a missionary to the Lamanites.” At a 12 March 1835 meeting of the Twelve Apostles, Brigham Young was assigned to “open a door to the remnants of Joseph who dwelt among the Gentiles.” (Minutes and Discourses, 7–8 Mar. 1835; Minutes, 12 Mar. 1835.)  

  21. 21

    At this point in time, many of those who had been called as members of the Seventy were young men. Sylvester Smith described the Seventy generally as “worthy young men, strong, active, energetic.” (Sylvester Smith, Editorial, LDS Messenger and Advocate, Jan. 1836, 2:254.)  

    Latter Day Saints’ Messenger and Advocate. Kirtland, OH. Oct. 1834–Sept. 1837.